Curse

Bryant Again · Oct 02, 2007, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Dunno bout you, but that looks pretty fun, hehe.

GladTitleNerf · Oct 02, 2007, 09:20 PM // 21:20

Lol. I guess I don't need to point out what I have already said. But I will. This screenshot perfectly captures the reaction to the anti-leaver, dishonour combatant thing.

People will not leave for obvious reasons. Now they will simply play bad on purpose.

Use your brain Anet. Use your brain people. Do you think that if leaving was rampant before that people will not look for an alternative that has no repercussions. Basically the update has simply made RA a horrible playing atmosphere in general whereas it was once inconvenienced by leavers we now get to watch ppl Kamikaze and commit cyber suicide and when they do we ourselves have to wait out the match. Update was short sighted. It did not look at what actions the players would take in response.

GladTitleNerf · Oct 02, 2007, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by Antheus

/sigh

Thank you for meaningful contribution, Mr. Pulitzer.

No problem, anytime. You wanna play Hall Patrol well I'll play Pants Shanker.
If you comment on my post then try and say something relevant to the post and the questions posed which as of yet you have failed to do. /Reported for failing to use noodle.

GG.

Despozblehero · Oct 02, 2007, 09:41 PM // 21:41

Remove the title from RA... play in RA just to play... that solves this bs...

frojack · Oct 02, 2007, 10:12 PM // 22:12

Um... I just wanted to say that 'Hara-kiri System' would have sounded cooler ^_^.

That is all...

Master Ketsu · Oct 02, 2007, 10:31 PM // 22:31

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Now they will simply play bad on purpose.

Which is better then leaving. At least that way they will be forced to soak up damage.

I actually find it fun when I get n00bs who do that on my team. Makes them feel stupid when we win fairly quickly anyways. Hopefully leavers will eventually start to learn that you cant automatically tell what a players use is by their class.

The main problem with a lot of leave-rejoiners is that they are under the assumption that everyone else is playing cookie cutters just like them, and that its impossible to beat a monk team without your own monk.

Nemo the Capitalist · Oct 02, 2007, 11:36 PM // 23:36

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Ok..full story, please.

Someone reporting you for this "Price of Failure is good for shutting down melee characters." isn't going to happen.

guess u dont know a lotta interesting people on gw they would

SerenitySilverstar · Oct 03, 2007, 12:02 AM // 00:02

So, from what I can tell:

"OMG! PvP is dying/dead! Fix it Anet!!11!"

*Anet fixes it with Dishonour System*

"OMG! PvP is full of so many noobs!!!11!"

Never Happy Syndrome strikes again.

Vazze · Oct 03, 2007, 01:27 AM // 01:27

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Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar

So, from what I can tell:

"OMG! PvP is dying/dead! Fix it Anet!!11!"

*Anet fixes it with Dishonour System*

"OMG! PvP is full of so many noobs!!!11!"

Never Happy Syndrome strikes again.

That's because they update in big packages: best way to piss off thousands of people and never know why. It's like trying to hit a hole-in-one from 300 yards again and again and again...

HawkofStorms · Oct 03, 2007, 01:55 AM // 01:55

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Originally Posted by Master Ketsu

Which is better then leaving. At least that way they will be forced to soak up damage.

I actually find it fun when I get n00bs who do that on my team. Makes them feel stupid when we win fairly quickly anyways. Hopefully leavers will eventually start to learn that you cant automatically tell what a players use is by their class.

The main problem with a lot of leave-rejoiners is that they are under the assumption that everyone else is playing cookie cutters just like them, and that its impossible to beat a monk team without your own monk.

Exactly. Leaving contributes nothing. At least with "suiciding" you contribute a little. Even if you just start using frenzy and healing signet, at least he's there.

GladTitleNerf · Oct 03, 2007, 02:12 AM // 02:12

How is someone killing themselves intentionally any better than a leaver?

They soak up dmg? Well yeah but they are contributing nothing and will continue to do so until you lose. My educated guess is that had they left, the substituting player the following round, should you actually win 3 vs 4, would help you win and possibly earna glad point. In this scenario leavers actually were better for your remaining games since them leaving allowed you to get a substitute.

Now in the ol' days of RA when one person left then the others were likely to leave recognizing their odds of winning were lessened. Heck of a lot easier than watching some guy kill himself then proceeding to play and being incapable of leaving the team. I really don't understand how anyone could see this as "better". Even better is when the guy that intentionally kills himself gets rezzed once and dies and then gets rezzed again thereby wasting your team's rez sigs. Better? der.

My answer to this is: No a Kamikaze player is not better than a leaver. Read the above scenario twice to fully understand it. I kind of feel like some people are shortsighted as was the update itself and simply wish to support ANETs update regardless of the logic behind it.

Obviously a guy killing himself on your team rather than someone replacing that person is not better.

Also, in regards to the idea that leavers are n00bs. Well, usually they aren't n00bs. Usually they are as experienced in 4 vs 4 as are you are if not more. They are simply basing their judgments on different winning criteria than you are they are actually in RA to win not to spend 30 minutes then go farm. And, I think everyone can agree a monk in PVE and PVP, throughout all team based play has a better chance of succeeding than a group with no monk at all. So most peoples assumptions are correct. Argue about it if you want but I think that is a fairly true statement.

And also as stated earlier on this page. Yeah throwing multiple changes into one update and completely overhauling the most popular PVP arena was a mistake in itself. Anet would have done better making small tentative changes or even, god forbid, proposing the changes on a forum so they could get some player input.

I really have come to a point with this entire discussion where I feel like people simply don't care about the issue they are discussing and therefore fail to use any logic.

Please read my first post in this thread. pls.

Despozblehero · Oct 03, 2007, 02:45 AM // 02:45

"Kamikaze" players are going to be a lot more rare than leechers/leavers ever were... Lemme ask this... if the glad title was removed from RA before the update would all the "serious" RA'ers who hate this report thing play in it? NO, 90% are there for the easy button on glad points, and dont actually care for the arena itself. If 8 minutes is too long a battle for you on occasion... well Ziashen arena is that way ---->

MoldyRiceFrenzy · Oct 03, 2007, 02:53 AM // 02:53

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

By eliminting the ability to leave matches though, you do what RA was meant to do in the first place, act a training ground for PvP. RA was never meant to be competitive (one of the reasons I think adding the glad title there at all was always a mistake). RA was meant to train people how to work together in a team, use res sigs, and learn about positioning. You can't do that if you quit the match to "save time."

you know ra used to be called competition arenas...?

Lol, likes its done a lot of help with ppl using res sigs, and like it shows ppl how to work in a team lol, love those solo wamo/sins dont u, great teamwork? You can still learn how to play without wasting time. Obviously if you get a 55 in ur team vs 4 wars ur gona have problems if your team except him dies. If your game is going on forever, then why are we punished if we want to quit to save time? You can decide to quit or you can decide to just stop and let the team kill you. Since you can't quit(2x) without dishonor pts, your just gona have to waste your time, your teams time, and the other teams time by making them kill you and hunt the others of your team down, which who knows one other could be a runner or a super defense wamo ect.

MoldyRiceFrenzy · Oct 03, 2007, 03:48 AM // 03:48

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Originally Posted by Despozblehero

"Kamikaze" players are going to be a lot more rare than leechers/leavers ever were... Lemme ask this... if the glad title was removed from RA before the update would all the "serious" RA'ers who hate this report thing play in it? NO, 90% are there for the easy button on glad points, and dont actually care for the arena itself. If 8 minutes is too long a battle for you on occasion... well Ziashen arena is that way ---->

to tell you the truth, if i got a decent ta team, my chances of winning seemed to be just the same as a decent team in ra. i went into ra because it was ezier to get into and took less time to start. all i had to do was go and play and if i got lucky got a glad pt.

btw, 90%? so lets c... if 90% of the ppl wanted to be able to get glad pts in a hypothetical view... then we > u, we would be 90% u would be 10%, we win.

well 8minutes... i remember b4 ra battles were 30 seconds- 5 minutes at normal. u could do 2-3 rounds with a 8 min battle, meaning time saved. faction is completely useless to alot of us since we've already unlocked everything anyways..

X Cytherea X · Oct 03, 2007, 04:06 AM // 04:06

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

this Bust(4) guy sums up exactly how i feel about the current state of RA. i feel your pain, man. i feel your pain.

GladTitleNerf · Oct 03, 2007, 04:18 AM // 04:18

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Originally Posted by Despozblehero

"Kamikaze" players are going to be a lot more rare than leechers/leavers ever were.

Do you think the screenshot posted doesn't in some way show you the situation clearly? And the guy that posted that was even saying how much better the system was. Lol. Look, like I keep saying the update did nothing for the leaver situation. Yes people are not "leaving" for obvious reasons, they can't win as quickly if they do. What do you think they were doing initially? Now when you say the rarity of leavers and kamikaze players is any different you are basically saying the rarity of apples and apples is different. Yes, I am sure that some leaving has been curbed by this measure simply because many people have said screw it altogether but i would guess it is marginal. Why would someone that was a leaver prior to update suddenly find themselves with a different point of view and decide he now thought that every team had an equal chance of getting a glad point? They are the same ppl, can you expect this measure to have changed their outlook. Now we have ppl killing themselves intentionally and I get to wait out the game while they do it? Great solution.

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Originally Posted by Despozblehero

Lemme ask this... if the glad title was removed from RA before the update would all the "serious" RA'ers who hate this report thing play in it?

If the glad title was removed? Wow, so um thats a great comparison. Let me ask this if you told everyone scratching a lotto ticket that there were no winners do you think they would play? How about if all of you people that I am guessing must be in HA or GVG were told that fame and champ points and rank were removed? Still play? Irrelevant comparison especially in light of the fact they lessened the title's integrity so it was more attainable. Obviously the title is part of the reason the people play in RA and also part of the reason this update is so jacked since the title just got arbitrarily changed.

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Originally Posted by Despozblehero

90% are there for the easy button on glad points, and dont actually care for the arena itself.

When you took the survey and found that 90% percent of the people in RA were there to get an easy glad point well how many high ranked glads did you actually see? And when you surveyed what was the number of your pool? Oh im guessing by 90% you just mean a lot of people. Well, an easy glad was never easier than it is now so I'm not sure where you are going with that one and your numbers sound a wee bit wacky. As I stated in my first post you can throw a bot in RA now and with the dishonor system get a few glads while you sleep whereas this was close to impossible before the update. (read the full post for more detail). And your opinion about 90% of people not wanting to play in the arena itself. What? More people played in RA just to play. Do you think the same holds true with other organized PVP? No. There are more people simply playing in RA right now just to try and see what they can do thus the influx of unexperienced players. The update basically took the pickup game atmosphere and constrained it so your screwed if you wanna actually play and get left watching some guy run for 6 minutes.

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Originally Posted by Despozblehero

If 8 minutes is too long a battle for you on occasion... well Ziashen arena is that way ---->

Hey man Zaishen arena is there for you too! Actually Halo 3 is out! And well I guess I could be worshiping Satan the Dark Overlord in my spare time. Great point-------->

Yeah sounds kinda silly right? Well your statement is. Please tell me what PVP you enjoy and should ANET decide to screw it let me point you to Zaishen arena or similarly Satan the Dark Overlord. Having to wait out matches sucks. It was not a problem before. Now it is. And for the people that actually enjoyed playing 4 vs 4 randomly this is an inconvenience we once did not have to deal with. If this were the only problem presented by this massive steaming pile of update then I would say "yeah your right I can deal" but it is part of a whole big mess and pointing to Zaishen arena doesn't help fix the issue.

And one more thing, saying RA was an ez glad point machine is pretty ridiculous. How many glad rank 7 or 8 can you recall seeing prior to the update. They were far and few between. Glad points were never easy or capable of merely being grinded. Well now you can. Also if they took HA fame and GVG champ points and every other title and multiplied the titles by 4 then the points by 6 don't you think someone would ask whether they did it accurately and fairly for everyone? Or how exactly they came to implement those numbers. Arena, both TA and RA got jacked. End of story.

Thanks ANET. Now I can either battle AI in Zaishen Arena or worship Satan.

Despozblehero · Oct 03, 2007, 09:29 AM // 09:29

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Originally Posted by GladTitleNerf

...Now when you say the rarity of leavers and kamikaze players is any different you are basically saying the rarity of apples and apples is different...

No Im not... If the people who really hate this update think its a waste of time to play in a match for 8 mins what makes you think theyre going to run around for that long with absolutely no point every match they can and not get tired of wasting their time. A small minority will yes... but if you for a minute believe the runners will be anywhere near as abundant as leavers... well its just kinda silly is all

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Originally Posted by GladTitleNerf

If the glad title was removed? Wow, so um thats a great comparison. Let me ask this if you told everyone scratching a lotto ticket that there were no winners do you think they would play? How about if all of you people that I am guessing must be in HA or GVG were told that fame and champ points and rank were removed? Still play? Irrelevant comparison especially in light of the fact they lessened the title's integrity so it was more attainable. Obviously the title is part of the reason the people play in RA and also part of the reason this update is so jacked since the title just got arbitrarily changed.

Lotto analogy fails... and for the HA/GvG title, they are both irrelevant they could remove both for all I care because I never played in PvP for the titles, I played just for the fun of playing... yes im a minority I know

. (I actually HATE double fame weekends lol)

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Originally Posted by GladTitleNerf

When you took the survey and found that 90% percent of the people in RA were there to get an easy glad point well how many high ranked glads did you actually see? And when you surveyed what was the number of your pool? Oh im guessing by 90% you just mean a lot of people. Well, an easy glad was never easier than it is now so I'm not sure where you are going with that one and your numbers sound a wee bit wacky. As I stated in my first post you can throw a bot in RA now and with the dishonor system get a few glads while you sleep whereas this was close to impossible before the update. (read the full post for more detail). And your opinion about 90% of people not wanting to play in the arena itself. What? More people played in RA just to play. Do you think the same holds true with other organized PVP? No. There are more people simply playing in RA right now just to try and see what they can do thus the influx of unexperienced players. The update basically took the pickup game atmosphere and constrained it so your screwed if you wanna actually play and get left watching some guy run for 6 minutes.

First.You either misread or misunderstood what i said about the 90% (if you reread it it will say 90% of the people who are posting about hating the report system not in those words but thats what it says). 2nd youre back on the theres a runner in every match theroy... well guess what... I played more RA matches today... not one runner. If you *actually* want to play you get a guild and go to TA (its not that hard...). RA is exactly that RANDOM ARENA, ITS NOT ORGANIZED PVP.

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Originally Posted by GladTitleNerf

Having to wait out matches sucks. It was not a problem before. Now it is. And for the people that actually enjoyed playing 4 vs 4 randomly this is an inconvenience we once did not have to deal with. If this were the only problem presented by this massive steaming pile of update then I would say "yeah your right I can deal" but it is part of a whole big mess and pointing to Zaishen arena doesn't help fix the issue.

If you actually enjoyed 4v4 randomly you wouldnt have anything against the reporting system im sure... Its even more inconvenient to have people leave 4 out of every 5 matches because its not a perfect team setup in a random team environment lol. Having to "wait out a match" sounds like its torture to you... all of 8 mins of hell eh? If its that bad dont RA, get a guild and TA then no more waiting matches... lol

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Originally Posted by GladTitleNerf

And one more thing, saying RA was an ez glad point machine is pretty ridiculous... Glad points were never easy or capable of merely being grinded.

Really? Why were there leavers again? Was it to have certain pvpers to go up against noobs to grind glad points because it was eaisier than fighting people of their own skill level?? no never... lol nuff said.

freekedoutfish · Oct 03, 2007, 09:40 AM // 09:40

I sympathise, but I think this comes down to the usual thing of "its better to be doing something, then nothing!"

zwei2stein · Oct 03, 2007, 09:42 AM // 09:42

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X

this Bust(4) guy sums up exactly how i feel about the current state of RA. i feel your pain, man. i feel your pain.

If he cant leave ... why join at all?

IF it all about not being able to surf teams to get perfect one ... TA is there for you.

glountz · Oct 03, 2007, 09:56 AM // 09:56

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

If he cant leave ... why join at all?

IF it all about not being able to surf teams to get perfect one ... TA is there for you.

ToP PvPers shoukd be able to leave mending whammos when and where they want. They are above the PVE scrubs. They have a bigger e-peen, you know. That give them the right to piss off mending whammos. This Dishonor system screw their leaving-leeching-jackassing rights, earned from their hard work on the ladder.